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	<title>Comments on: I Shot The Sheriff &#8211; But I Haven&#8217;t Done Any PPC!</title>
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	<description>Online blog of Jason Dale, co-director of Loquax. My views on affiliate marketing, running a website and anything else that seems appropriate!</description>
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		<title>By: The Next retail affiliate programme debacle - another perspective</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Next retail affiliate programme debacle - another perspective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not happy. So may I humbly suggest that Jonny comes home (sorry, my puns are getting as bad as Jason&#8217;s) and rejoins the A4U community and opens the lines of communication. You never know, you may just [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not happy. So may I humbly suggest that Jonny comes home (sorry, my puns are getting as bad as Jason&#8217;s) and rejoins the A4U community and opens the lines of communication. You never know, you may just [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Accentuate The Positive - Eliminate The Negative &#124; One Little Duck - Affiliate Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Accentuate The Positive - Eliminate The Negative &#124; One Little Duck - Affiliate Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not blogged for a while as a comment on I Shot The Sheriff But I Haven&#8217;t Done Any PPC (officially best blog title 2008 as decided by me) did make me stop and think for a moment. The [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not blogged for a while as a comment on I Shot The Sheriff But I Haven&#8217;t Done Any PPC (officially best blog title 2008 as decided by me) did make me stop and think for a moment. The [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Around The Affiliate Blogosphere (w/e: 18th Jan 2008) &#183; Affiliate Quanda</title>
		<link>http://www.onelittleduck.co.uk/affiliate-marketing/i-shot-the-sheriff-but-i-havent-done-any-ppc-364.htm/comment-page-1/#comment-28672</link>
		<dc:creator>Around The Affiliate Blogosphere (w/e: 18th Jan 2008) &#183; Affiliate Quanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in the voucher code stream Jason (Loquax) says &#8220;I Shot The Shefiff - But I Haven&#8217;t Done Any PPC!&#8220;, he discusses the &#8220;current ructions in affiliate marketing&#8221; to do with voucher [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in the voucher code stream Jason (Loquax) says &#8220;I Shot The Shefiff &#8211; But I Haven&#8217;t Done Any PPC!&#8220;, he discusses the &#8220;current ructions in affiliate marketing&#8221; to do with voucher [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris McLean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris McLean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iâ€™m with Kevin here, I canâ€™t speak for other networks but I know we spend far more time than we should have to policing affiliates who breach T&amp;C. I estimate that I personally contact around 5-10 affiliates a week regarding PPC issues, the vast majority of the time this is more than a slap on the wrist with the affiliate generally losing any commission earned via their PPC and being removed from the programme. In addition we normally close a few affiliate accounts a week as a result of ongoing PPC/iframe activity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iâ€™m with Kevin here, I canâ€™t speak for other networks but I know we spend far more time than we should have to policing affiliates who breach T&amp;C. I estimate that I personally contact around 5-10 affiliates a week regarding PPC issues, the vast majority of the time this is more than a slap on the wrist with the affiliate generally losing any commission earned via their PPC and being removed from the programme. In addition we normally close a few affiliate accounts a week as a result of ongoing PPC/iframe activity.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jason,

You raise a good point about the forced clicks issue.

We&#039;re actually looking into making our T&amp;Cs a lot more explicit on the issue - we&#039;ll be sure to keep everyone posted.

We were instrumental in getting certain affiliate sites changed and perhaps we need to flag this up a little more publicly.

There is a lot of politics around the voucher coding sites at the moment and I know we&#039;re loathe to get drawn in while the issues are outstanding.

I think the risk for networks is to triumph something only to find a new affiliate pops up doing exactly what you say your network doesn&#039;t do...after all networks inevitably have to play catch up and react to the ever changing goal posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jason,</p>
<p>You raise a good point about the forced clicks issue.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re actually looking into making our T&amp;Cs a lot more explicit on the issue &#8211; we&#8217;ll be sure to keep everyone posted.</p>
<p>We were instrumental in getting certain affiliate sites changed and perhaps we need to flag this up a little more publicly.</p>
<p>There is a lot of politics around the voucher coding sites at the moment and I know we&#8217;re loathe to get drawn in while the issues are outstanding.</p>
<p>I think the risk for networks is to triumph something only to find a new affiliate pops up doing exactly what you say your network doesn&#8217;t do&#8230;after all networks inevitably have to play catch up and react to the ever changing goal posts.</p>
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		<title>By: jdmobile</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdmobile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Bit of a grumpy post I admit&quot;

Kevin you&#039;re more than welcome to make a grumpy post here! :)

I fully appreciate networks are busy - probably overwelmed at times - but if I&#039;m perpetuating myths then perhaps it&#039;s time that the networks were more vocal in helping dispel them?

E.g. Take the iframe/voucher code issue with a certain voucher code site. 

As an affiliate who raised this I&#039;d have liked to have seen - no actually I expected to see - all networks make some effort in making it clear that using iframes to drop cookies (especially 1x1 iframes) was not acceptable. As far as I know not one has done anything via their newsletter or on the management system. And for an &quot;old timer&quot; I was pretty disappointed considering the seriousness of the issue.

Ok things were tidied up in house and between network and affiliate - but that was an opportunity for networks to clarify their stance.

When nothing seems to be said - it does (imo) add validity to the myths!  

You&#039;re obviously are passionate about AM Kevin - and vocal, which is great - but we need more people like you to speak out and give the network perspective to help educate affiliates. I think sometimes there&#039;s an assumption that affiliates know what&#039;s going on behind those closed doors.

Why not put something on Awin&#039;s blog about what you have to do as a network to monitor rogue affiliates? Help us understand what you&#039;re doing and the problems you face?

Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bit of a grumpy post I admit&#8221;</p>
<p>Kevin you&#8217;re more than welcome to make a grumpy post here! <img src='http://www.onelittleduck.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I fully appreciate networks are busy &#8211; probably overwelmed at times &#8211; but if I&#8217;m perpetuating myths then perhaps it&#8217;s time that the networks were more vocal in helping dispel them?</p>
<p>E.g. Take the iframe/voucher code issue with a certain voucher code site. </p>
<p>As an affiliate who raised this I&#8217;d have liked to have seen &#8211; no actually I expected to see &#8211; all networks make some effort in making it clear that using iframes to drop cookies (especially 1&#215;1 iframes) was not acceptable. As far as I know not one has done anything via their newsletter or on the management system. And for an &#8220;old timer&#8221; I was pretty disappointed considering the seriousness of the issue.</p>
<p>Ok things were tidied up in house and between network and affiliate &#8211; but that was an opportunity for networks to clarify their stance.</p>
<p>When nothing seems to be said &#8211; it does (imo) add validity to the myths!  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re obviously are passionate about AM Kevin &#8211; and vocal, which is great &#8211; but we need more people like you to speak out and give the network perspective to help educate affiliates. I think sometimes there&#8217;s an assumption that affiliates know what&#8217;s going on behind those closed doors.</p>
<p>Why not put something on Awin&#8217;s blog about what you have to do as a network to monitor rogue affiliates? Help us understand what you&#8217;re doing and the problems you face?</p>
<p>Jason</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jason,

You raise some interesting points but your post perpetuates two ongoing myths that networks have to address with merchants and agencies daily.

Firstly that networks don&#039;t monitor activity. Having worked for two networks, staff spend far, far too long trying to weed out the rogue affiliates. It;s no wonder campaign T&amp;Cs may not be up to date - there are only so many hours in the day. I&#039;ve probably dealt with dozens of rogue affiliates or affiliates breaking the rules in my 15 months at Affiliate Window - and that&#039;s one employee at one network.

I also find it slightly strange logic that affiliates somehow absolve themselves of blame - do something wrong, it&#039;s the network&#039;s fault. Of course there is a responsibility by both network and merchant to ensure T&amp;Cs are up to date, but there are thousand of affiliate programmes in the UK - it&#039;s inevitable there will be the occasional issue.

The other myth is that networks do nothing or don&#039;t care when affiliates break rules because they have a vested interest. We look constantly to innovate in this area so we can prove to our merchants (and affiliates) the incremental value that affiliate marketing is supposed to bring. We&#039;re regularly suspending commissions and affiliates because of flagrant rule breaking by both unknown and familiar affiliates. Remember, there is only a finite amount of commission for an affiliate programme. If one affiliate is forcing clicks then this may be stealing the sale from another affiliate; we&#039;re not going to lose the sale by making sure it&#039;s properly apportioned.

And on this point, I&#039;ve seen well known affiliates, vocal on the A4U Forum and blogs, break rules and bend T&amp;Cs. It only surprises me this hasn&#039;t been more of an issue.

Final point, I received the A4U newsletter today - there are four affiliate blogs referenced as being the &#039;pick&#039; of the blogs. Three are slating merchants or programmes. This hardly sends a professional message to the industry, something most network staff are trying to do on a daily basis.

Bit of a grumpy post I admit but I&#039;ve recently felt that there are a number of people (not you Jason!) who are actually undermining the whole industry, overwhelming it with negativity - and to be frank that depresses me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jason,</p>
<p>You raise some interesting points but your post perpetuates two ongoing myths that networks have to address with merchants and agencies daily.</p>
<p>Firstly that networks don&#8217;t monitor activity. Having worked for two networks, staff spend far, far too long trying to weed out the rogue affiliates. It;s no wonder campaign T&amp;Cs may not be up to date &#8211; there are only so many hours in the day. I&#8217;ve probably dealt with dozens of rogue affiliates or affiliates breaking the rules in my 15 months at Affiliate Window &#8211; and that&#8217;s one employee at one network.</p>
<p>I also find it slightly strange logic that affiliates somehow absolve themselves of blame &#8211; do something wrong, it&#8217;s the network&#8217;s fault. Of course there is a responsibility by both network and merchant to ensure T&amp;Cs are up to date, but there are thousand of affiliate programmes in the UK &#8211; it&#8217;s inevitable there will be the occasional issue.</p>
<p>The other myth is that networks do nothing or don&#8217;t care when affiliates break rules because they have a vested interest. We look constantly to innovate in this area so we can prove to our merchants (and affiliates) the incremental value that affiliate marketing is supposed to bring. We&#8217;re regularly suspending commissions and affiliates because of flagrant rule breaking by both unknown and familiar affiliates. Remember, there is only a finite amount of commission for an affiliate programme. If one affiliate is forcing clicks then this may be stealing the sale from another affiliate; we&#8217;re not going to lose the sale by making sure it&#8217;s properly apportioned.</p>
<p>And on this point, I&#8217;ve seen well known affiliates, vocal on the A4U Forum and blogs, break rules and bend T&amp;Cs. It only surprises me this hasn&#8217;t been more of an issue.</p>
<p>Final point, I received the A4U newsletter today &#8211; there are four affiliate blogs referenced as being the &#8216;pick&#8217; of the blogs. Three are slating merchants or programmes. This hardly sends a professional message to the industry, something most network staff are trying to do on a daily basis.</p>
<p>Bit of a grumpy post I admit but I&#8217;ve recently felt that there are a number of people (not you Jason!) who are actually undermining the whole industry, overwhelming it with negativity &#8211; and to be frank that depresses me.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theaffiliateblog.co.uk/affiliate-stuff/6-affiliate-marketing-is-a-battleground&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a post on my blog&lt;/a&gt; after discovering a vigilante who is taking his/her own form of action against bad guys. When there&#039;s no sheriff in town, perhaps it&#039;s up to the citizens to fight the bad guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote  <a href="http://www.theaffiliateblog.co.uk/affiliate-stuff/6-affiliate-marketing-is-a-battleground" rel="nofollow">a post on my blog</a> after discovering a vigilante who is taking his/her own form of action against bad guys. When there&#8217;s no sheriff in town, perhaps it&#8217;s up to the citizens to fight the bad guys.</p>
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		<title>By: jdmobile</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdmobile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great minds and all that Joe - either that all we&#039;re just the last two miserable sods left in the salon whilst everyone else is gun slinging left, right and centre.

Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great minds and all that Joe &#8211; either that all we&#8217;re just the last two miserable sods left in the salon whilst everyone else is gun slinging left, right and centre.</p>
<p>Jason</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno, I mention Dodge City then you shoot the Sherif and we&#039;re both using dodgy song titles.
If I ever get out of here, thought of giving it all away, to a registered charity - all I need is a pint a day, if I ever get out of here.
Good points well made.
The only downside with rules is there&#039;s always a jobsworth just looking to make life a little bit more miserable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno, I mention Dodge City then you shoot the Sherif and we&#8217;re both using dodgy song titles.<br />
If I ever get out of here, thought of giving it all away, to a registered charity &#8211; all I need is a pint a day, if I ever get out of here.<br />
Good points well made.<br />
The only downside with rules is there&#8217;s always a jobsworth just looking to make life a little bit more miserable.</p>
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